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side panel Rally 200

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Hi,

first i want to excuse for posting in English - I´m from Austria and cannot speak your language.
The reason why I use this forum is a little tricky - I bought a 200 Rally from Malmö and saw that the side panel (motor) is completely closed (no gaps) - it looks like original but I don´t know if this was ever produced in this way. A friend of me told me, that he heard that this panels were only produced for the northern marked ....can anybody confirm this ? Or has anybody a 200 Rally with such a side panel? :?
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How do you mean? Welded to the frame? Post a picture.
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Which year? Ours (Finland) is from -73 and it has those ventilation gaps. And I think all Rally motor panels has gaps, at least all those that I have seen (and can remember). As said, a picture would be nice. It could be some previous owner that has had that part destroyed with a flywheel too close to the panel and fixed it by welding it like that and painted the panel so that one can't see it.
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Re: side panel Rally 200

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As far as I know, no Rally 200 was ever sold without the 'gills' on the engine side sidepanel. At least not in Sweden. Could it be a Sprint or SS 180-panel? (Edit: Or some Bajaj-side planel?)

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EDIT: As said above: it was very common for the gaps/gills to be chopped off by the flywheel if the Rally fell onto its side with the engine running. Could be a plate has been welded in its place.


nolde6912 wrote:Hi,

first i want to excuse for posting in English - I´m from Austria and cannot speak your language.
The reason why I use this forum is a little tricky - I bought a 200 Rally from Malmö and saw that the side panel (motor) is completely closed (no gaps) - it looks like original but I don´t know if this was ever produced in this way. A friend of me told me, that he heard that this panels were only produced for the northern marked ....can anybody confirm this ? Or has anybody a 200 Rally with such a side panel? :?
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Sprint and SS does have those ventilation gaps, so that doesn't explain anything.
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Paka wrote:How do you mean? Welded to the frame? Post a picture.
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i mean the slots through which you can see the flywheel...her it is closed, but it looks like original. there is nothing weldet ....Itry to post a picture a soon as I have one - But a guy from Malmö told me that a few Rallys where delivered with such side panels ...but just for a few months...and only to the northern countries like Sweden, Norway...I just want to be sure if this is known by other Rally - riders.....here in the "South" nobody knows about this....and I was a little surprised when i opened the transport cage.....
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I see. Never heard of it, sounds interesting. I wonder where the guy from Malmö got that info. Or maybe he was Italian?
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some Bajaj have closed engine panels, but they can not be fitted on a Rally, only 150cc models like Sprint and GTR

http://vespaspares.co.nz/shop/images/Bajaj%20panel.jpg

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Federico wrote:some Bajaj have closed engine panels, but they can not be fitted on a Rally, only 150cc models like Sprint and GTR

http://vespaspares.co.nz/shop/images/Bajaj%20panel.jpg

Looking forward to some photos!
you´re surely right but the Bajaj panels don´t really fit to a Rally there are differences.... and I compared the panel with an "original" and everthing looks to be the same (ok - for my eyes :D )...
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I bought a Rally 180 1969 model new in 1969 and 1972 model used a few years later, both had slots in the engine side panel. Many friends also hade Vespa Rally´s but I don´t remember any without slots in this panel.
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Why on earth would they sell it without the slots? The 200cc engine has fairly poor cooling as it stands anyway, with the slots gone surely the eninge will run hot? Or?

I have never heard of any Rally's being sold without the slots.

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jencla wrote:I bought a Rally 180 1969 model new in 1969 and 1972 model used a few years later, both had slots in the engine side panel. Many friends also hade Vespa Rally´s but I don´t remember any without slots in this panel.
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nolde6912 wrote:
Federico wrote:some Bajaj have closed engine panels, but they can not be fitted on a Rally, only 150cc models like Sprint and GTR

http://vespaspares.co.nz/shop/images/Bajaj%20panel.jpg

Looking forward to some photos!
you´re surely right but the Bajaj panels don´t really fit to a Rally there are differences.... and I compared the panel with an "original" and everthing looks to be the same (ok - for my eyes :D )...
Yes, they dont´t fit a Rally ;)

Hedge wrote:Why on earth would they sell it without the slots? The 200cc engine has fairly poor cooling as it stands anyway, with the slots gone surely the eninge will run hot? Or?

I have never heard of any Rally's being sold without the slots.

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PX200 has no slots and works great ;) but PX panels don´t cover the fan intake?

The Vespa 50 got a special fan cover made for Sweden (scandinavia?) because of winter use was a problem with the original fan-cover. The Swedish version has a smaller air intake.
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Är du säker på att det var vintern? Kan det inte ha något med strypningen att göra? Att den inte kom upp i rätt arbetstemperatur?
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Paka wrote:Är du säker på att det var vintern? Kan det inte ha något med strypningen att göra? Att den inte kom upp i rätt arbetstemperatur?
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säker kan jag naturligvis inte vara, men problemet borde väl bli värre under den kalla delen av året. visserligen är det lika kallt i norra Italien ;)
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Hedge wrote:Why on earth would they sell it without the slots? The 200cc engine has fairly poor cooling as it stands anyway, with the slots gone surely the eninge will run hot? Or?
Innan en bild på underverket är presenterad skulle man kanske överväga om någon driver med oss... :-?
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Det tror jag inte. Han fick nog bara inte det svar han hade önskat...
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Eller så sliter han håret av sig för att han inte begriper hur man skall få bilder att synas på forumet... :wink:
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Px'ens kåpor går inte ner lika långt så där behövs det inte.

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Hedge wrote:Why on earth would they sell it without the slots? The 200cc engine has fairly poor cooling as it stands anyway, with the slots gone surely the eninge will run hot? Or?

I have never heard of any Rally's being sold without the slots.

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PX200 has no slots and works great ;) but PX panels don´t cover the fan intake?

The Vespa 50 got a special fan cover made for Sweden (scandinavia?) because of winter use was a problem with the original fan-cover. The Swedish version has a smaller air intake.
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Så var det ja, misstänkte det, men man undrar hur bajajkåporna fungerar och varför de finns utan hål
Hedge wrote:Px'ens kåpor går inte ner lika långt så där behövs det inte.

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Hedge wrote:Why on earth would they sell it without the slots? The 200cc engine has fairly poor cooling as it stands anyway, with the slots gone surely the eninge will run hot? Or?

I have never heard of any Rally's being sold without the slots.

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PX200 has no slots and works great ;) but PX panels don´t cover the fan intake?

The Vespa 50 got a special fan cover made for Sweden (scandinavia?) because of winter use was a problem with the original fan-cover. The Swedish version has a smaller air intake.
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Federico wrote:Så var det ja, misstänkte det, men man undrar hur bajajkåporna fungerar och varför de finns utan hål
För att inte sarin skall dras in runt svänghjulet?
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calle wrote:
Federico wrote:Så var det ja, misstänkte det, men man undrar hur bajajkåporna fungerar och varför de finns utan hål
För att inte sarin skall dras in runt svänghjulet?
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Federico wrote:
calle wrote:
Federico wrote:Så var det ja, misstänkte det, men man undrar hur bajajkåporna fungerar och varför de finns utan hål
För att inte sarin skall dras in runt svänghjulet?
he he!

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Journalisten skulle varit smartare och valt en Bajaj för;
Javisst, Bajaj har verkligen tagit utvecklingen framåt för alla typer av personer åkandes med löst sittande plagg!
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