Registering a Vespa 50cc

squidge · Post by **squidge** » Tue 16 Sep 2008, 10:45

Hi there,

I am just about to buy a 50cc Vespa smallframe, 1964. I was wondering what the registration rules are on this due to not needing number plates,

Thanks

jencla · Post by **jencla** » Tue 16 Sep 2008, 10:59

In Sweden, with the old laws (before 2003), to ride a moped you needed no driver´s license and the moped needed no registration. To ride it you only had to be 15 years old and the moped had to be restricted to 1 hp. Which means "Swedish" Vespa 50:s untouched are dead slow

These laws are still valid for these old mopeds. So buy it, ride it and be happy. You only need to be 15 and have at least third party insurance ("trafikförsäkring") on the moped.
/jens

squidge · Post by **squidge** » Tue 16 Sep 2008, 11:10

Thanks Jens

I can imagine they are pretty slow, maybe you can help me with my next task then once I have bought it.

Is it quite an easy process to up the cc a little to 90cc or higher even,

Matt

squidge · Post by **squidge** » Tue 16 Sep 2008, 11:17

Also,

a bit of a wierd one, but I am 6 foot tall (184) about, the scooter has a double seat on it so do you think its ok to ride.

I will only be riding it to nip around town.

Matt

fritte · Post by **fritte** » Tue 16 Sep 2008, 11:23

squidge wrote:Also,

a bit of a wierd one, but I am 6 foot tall (184) about, the scooter has a double seat on it so do you think its ok to ride.

I will only be riding it to nip around town.

Matt

I am 5' - 11½", and it OK for me..

fritte · Post by **fritte** » Tue 16 Sep 2008, 15:41

You can't just buy any 50 cc, the model have to be approved by the Road board and the chassi stamped with a number to certify that it is a moped that can't go faster than 30 kph.

squidge · Post by **squidge** » Tue 16 Sep 2008, 16:00

So if say it starts out as a normal 50cc, doesnt go above 30kph, then as soon as it is tuned and goes above 30kph you then need to get it re-tested, is that right?

M

bufflig · Post by **bufflig** » Tue 16 Sep 2008, 18:03

squidge wrote:So if say it starts out as a normal 50cc, doesnt go above 30kph, then as soon as it is tuned and goes above 30kph you then need to get it re-tested, is that right?

M

Nope, in practice you cannot convert an old 30 kph moped to anything else, as far as the law's concerned at least. If you tune it, it's a motorbike that cannot be registered and by definition cannot be used on public roads. You will not be able to register it as any kind of motorcycle or other type of moped. You could try registering it as a home buit motorcycle, but that would involve modern laws on emission, indicators, headlamp quality etc etc. Not really feasible

In practice the police doesn't seem to concerned about moderately tuned old mopeds, but that's another story...

squidge · Post by **squidge** » Tue 16 Sep 2008, 19:32

Thanks for that, I will let you know when you can tell me that other story

On the subject, can you suggest a good dealer where I can buy spares from?

Thanks

primavera133 · Post by **primavera133** » Tue 16 Sep 2008, 19:56

Good supply on spares and such can be found at EM Scooters in Gothenburgh and EHR Motor in Stockholm. Also there are some good online-shops in Germany (SIP Scooter, Scooter Center Köln, etc)

I generally don't recomend people to buy stuff from England if it's available in Germany (or Sweden) since freights are generally more expensive (and hassle seems to be more abundant).

EM Scooters has a good article on tuning a Swedish V50, written in Swedish though...http://www.emscooters.se/webshop/mektip ... sp?mekId=5

Mind you the main problem is not the cylinder, but the crancshaft and the primary gearing, wich is a bit of a bigger operation to change.

/JM

jencla · Post by **jencla** » Tue 16 Sep 2008, 19:56

Depends on where you live. EHR Motors in Stockholm, EM Scooters in Göteborg and BD Scooters somewhere further up north are the main Swedish dealers in scooterparts, but many of us buy from abroad, mainly from SIP Scootershop in Germany.
/jens

EDIT: Du var snabbare på avtryckaren Jonas

squidge · Post by **squidge** » Tue 16 Sep 2008, 20:15

I am from Stockholm, but I have seen that SIP German place. If thats what you guys are using then I will give that a go.

Cheers

primavera133 · Post by **primavera133** » Tue 16 Sep 2008, 20:45

Most of us use a combination I think. At least I do. It's nice to have a local shop to go to sometimes, but the prices in Germany are tempting. Just remember that the prices on SIP are without german taxes wich comes as a sweet little surprice at the end...

/JM

fritte · Post by **fritte** » Tue 16 Sep 2008, 22:30

primavera133 wrote:Most of us use a combination I think. At least I do. It's nice to have a local shop to go to sometimes, but the prices in Germany are tempting. Just remember that the prices on SIP are without german taxes wich comes as a sweet little surprice at the end...

/JM

I believe they are with German tax, 19%, but you have to pay Swedish tax, 25%. The difference between the taxes, is the surprise you have to pay.